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    Default Feedback on Blueprints (new&old) and Resource Balancing

    I chatted with Neverdie a little bit last night about the new(and old) blueprints and the balancing issues I see with some of them when compared to the balance of the resources required.
    He requested that I start a thread here to get feedback from everyone to start a list of all the blueprints that currently have issues and to figure out what resources are too expensive or rare to make the prints usable.

    Lets try and be honest and realistic.
    There are two things that need to be considered.

    1. The usability of the crafted item or motivation for the crafter to craft it.
    2. The markup of the resource or ore will need to be enough to motivate the hunters and miners to want to go after it.

    An example of something not to include would be the Juelz rifle which uses both Zombie Legs and Hard Ingot. Although those resources are rare (zombie legs less rare now) The finished product (a low cost per shot ranged tagger) can be sold for a markup which justifies paying for those resources.

    The second post I will list all of the Blueprints that are not practical to click because of the rarity of the resources vs the value of the crafted item.
    The third post I will list all of the Resources that are missing or are too rare in the current loot tables.

    Please help out so that we can give the best feedback possible :P
    List what prints or resources you know are currently imbalanced and explain why, and I will add it to the 'master' list.

    narfi
    Last edited by narfi; 01-26-2012 at 06:27 PM.

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    Imbalanced Blueprints:

    1. Jarhead (M/F,L,C) Blueprints - require Whiskey Sour Cocktail which is super rare. (maybe not found since the re-balance of ores last year)
    2. Elvis Dragon Plate(L) Blueprints (all Mk#s) - There have been no Elvis dragons for close to a year, therefor no hides, claws or tails can be looted.
    3. Lemmy Dragon Plate Mk1(L) Blueprints - Require Hard ingot and can not be crafted for a markup a hunter would consider using.
    4. Hendrix Dragon Plate Blueprints (all Mk#s) - There have been no Hendrix Dragons for a very long time, therefor no hides, claws or tails can be looted.
    5. Firewall Mk3(L) Blueprints - Require a lot of Hard Ingot which makes them unusable as hunting armor. With similar stats to Thunderbird, it needs to be craft-able for a similar markup. (if its intended to be more than a vanity armor)
    6. D-Class Mining Amp Blueprint - Requires Android Vixen Gears, but most of the vixen spawns were removed when Tangerine was cleaned up and a new spawn hasn't replaced them yet.
    7. Space Sexy Top (F,C) Blueprint - Requires Elvis Parts
    8. Birdie Trucker Cap (C) Blueprint - Requires Elvis Parts
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    Imbalanced Resources:

    1. Whiskey Sour Cocktail - Required in the Jarhead Bps as well as some clothing, Can't be found anymore
    2. Elvis Hides, Claws, Tails, Wings - No Elvis Anywhere - Needed For Space Sexy Top (F,C) Blueprint, Birdie Trucker Cap (C) Blueprint and Dragon Plates
    3. Hendrix Hides, Claws, Tails - No Hedrix Dragons = No Resources, We need a spawn of them back somewhere
    4. Hard Ingot - Can be got from the low mobs at the Bomb Shelter or from Northern Hitmen but drop rate is so low that 1 hunter can only collect a few stones an hour. There are always rumors that someone found some mining, but they can never be verified and I am starting to believe that it can not currently be mined.
    5. Android Vixen Gears - The vixen population is too low for anyone to camp right now.
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    Ok i am not a crafter and have not been on rock for a bit, but i have added a lot of blueprints to Entropedia.

    The following items need Elvis dragon parts. As this dragon has not been seen since feb 2010 you can craft these items.

    ELVIS Dragon Plate mk1 (L) Blueprint (L)
    ELVIS Dragon Plate mk2 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Space Sexy Top (F,C) Blueprint
    Birdie Trucker Cap (C) Blueprint

    With the shortage of Hard Ingots these blueprints are not used much


    Proud 2 PK Trucker Cap (C) Blueprint

    Hard Ingot = 100
    Pyrite Ingot = 20

    Anarchy Sexy Top (F,C) Blueprint

    Hard Ingot = 100
    Root Acid = 8

    Reggea Ingot is another very hard to find ingredent

    Space Dude ROCK T-Shirt (M,C) Blueprint

    Reggea Ingot = 30
    Zinc Ingot = 16

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    I left the Proud2PK and Anarchy off the list since the are Vanity items and although rare Hard Rock is attainable if the crafted item can be sold for a markup that justifies the price.
    Please guys let me know if this is the right way to look at this, or if I really should include it in the list.

    I am not sure about the Space Dude ROCK T-Shirt, it is a vanity item so if Reggea can be found at all, then I think it should be left off the list, but if it is one of the ores that can no longer be obtained at all, then It should be on the list. Please let me know which category this falls in.

    thanks and keep 'em coming

    narfi

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    Hey narfi,

    It is slightly tangential but I think a list of all of the items that don't currently have a use would be helpful...

    Just my 2 pecs ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeezer View Post
    Hey narfi,

    It is slightly tangential but I think a list of all of the items that don't currently have a use would be helpful...

    Just my 2 pecs ;-)

    Skeezer

    Totally agree....As far as i understand this list is for ALL RT crafters, not just for one crafter and his personal views on the validity of of items crafted in whatever market conditions, based on vanity or whatever else he personally wishes to label them as. Your personal selection criteria guidelines are yours, but im sure you can respect your fellow crafters enough to grant them a say as well in what is valid and what is not at whatever time.

    Rather than a niche list, start by making a full list, out lining reasons for why you think they should or should not be looked at. Then based on the COMMUNITY (Not just one crafter) you refine it down to essentials IF you must
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeezer View Post
    Hey narfi,

    It is slightly tangential but I think a list of all of the items that don't currently have a use would be helpful...

    Just my 2 pecs ;-)

    Skeezer

    I would agree with you on this Skeezer. Just make a list of loot that do not have a use at this monoment in time in another thread. Then others can add items they find on there and keep this thread for Blueprints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeezer View Post
    Hey narfi,

    It is slightly tangential but I think a list of all of the items that don't currently have a use would be helpful...

    Just my 2 pecs ;-)

    Skeezer

    As you wish,
    List of Ores/Enmatters and Loots which currently have no use

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