OK discuss away and please take personal insults and flaming to PM

Nah won't delete anything just moved it here

I am actually impressed you could formulate a reply to my lengthly post.
It is a scattered reply that barely addresses an iota of what I said and asked, yet is was a rely.

But to help me understand what the hell you are trying to say I need to follow up with another long reply.

So....Grab a beer or two and read on:

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

Well, I don't use faggotry in the sense of homosexuality because frankly i have no issues with homosexuals.....

Well then one would think that if you weren't using the noun "faggotry" to refer to homosexuality, you shouldn't use it at all, regardless whether or not you have homosexuality issues.
We've all seen how you butchered the (correct) meaning of the word ignorant/ignorance and ironically showed how ignorant you were in the process.

I mean, are you trying to reinvent the English language or something?
What "word" do you use to describe something that is warm?
Do you call it "round"?!
Or do you just make up a word like, say..."Garblufitgob"?

If you don't use words to what they are meant to define then nobody will know what you're talking about!

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

...it's faggots like yourself...

As you stated above you're obviously not referring to my sexuality, so only you and God knows what you're calling me...

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

...who have to pull out a thesaurus to somehow show off that you know how to use one and that some how makes you witty....

What makes you think I need a thesaurus to respond to someone's post?
Cripes, I just read whatever is said and reply - pretty simple stuff, Maynard.
It's almost as easy as speaking, minus the actual typing part.
As far as being "witty" that's for someone else to decide but I can tell you this:
Making up and randomly assigning improper definitions to words is definately NOT being "witty", it just makes you look illiterate.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

and makes your e-peen grow 20%.

My WHAT?
What the hell is an "e-peen"???

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

There's a nice Southpark episode that I can refer you to that explains what a faggot is. Usually a loudmouthed asshole that's being annoying in one form or another just to be annoying. Kind of like arguing for arguments sake.

Ahhh...Now it is becoming clearer.
So basically your linguistics is based on a (really stupid, imo) cartoon...Well, here's a news flash for ya: If you're trying to make a point or state an opinion or even attempt an juvinile insult, try to base it on something credible and not some, well moronic cartoon.
At least when you want to be taken seriously...

Following that pattern one could assume you get your life lessons of ethics from the likes of Beavis and Butthead?

I mean seriouly, you called me a "faggot" to REALLY call me an asshole.
That makes ZERO sense!
It's obvious you know what "faggot" and "asshole" actually mean, so just say "asshole" and skip the confusion.

If you absolutely MUST refer to TV shows to assist you, at least use Sesame Street. We'll all have a far better chance at knowing what you're talking about then...
May I also suggest you peruse that thesaurus you fear so much?
I don't need one but it could REALLY help you out, Bubs.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

Your still blaming ND for something that has been stated by him that was out of his hands.

I am? Where in my four original posts have I put the blame directly on ND for the attribute changes?
There you go, off again into fantasy land making up your own truth.

But let's say I did: Would that make the original basis of the attribute changes any less unfair?

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

This is not the Caly forum,

It ISN'T???!!
WOW!
Gee, thanks for that newsflash!
...Until you said that I was wondering how everytime I typed in PlanetCalypsoForum.com - PlanetCalypsoForum Portal I ended up at NEVERDIE - NEVERDIE News!
*/end sarcasm

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

we don't play the faggy (ED: do you mean "assholey"?) little Caly games here in Rocktropia.

I am not even going to attempt what games you are talking about nor what games you DO play "here in Rocktropia".
If you're going to say something so direct as that, do everyone a favor and actually EXPLAIN what "games" you refer to...

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

Yes, i do think it matters where your at, or where you reside as far as complaining goes.

Now wait a minute here.
That is just a rediculous point of view!
And to prove it I will give you a prefect example:
Say I DID start out on RT AND STILL resided there and STILL have the same opinion because I didn't do any of the missions for the original rewards.
Would YOU be in agreement with me then? Would you THEN think that the changes were unfair to everyone (or at least everyone on RT)?
Don't answer because everyone knows already: You would not.

Here's a defferent example, only roles reversed:
Let's say you lived in New York.
Then it is stated that starting next year all Californians do not have to pay federal or state taxes ever again.
Now hell, you think that's a pretty cool deal and would love to not pay taxes ever again! But you need some time to get a job out there and save a few bucks.
So a couple years later you quit your kickass job in NY, accept some other job at lower pay and move to Cali (no pun intended).
Now, by the time you get all that lined up and move into your nice beach house or whatever Congress says "Fuck That! Califonians have to start paying taxes again!".
Oooops. You quit your great job, spent extra cash to get something others had gotton only to basically get screwed.
Well you would probably think that's pretty unfair, no? (I know I would and I am FROM Cali)
BUT according to your logic you would not complain AT ALL because you are NOT from California NOR did you reside there.
Yea right.
And it would be just fine and dandy to tell you your opinion isn't shit and you have no business having an opinion on the matter (or as you say: "complaining" or "bitching").

Please...That's just a stupid attitude.
If something is UNFAIR, it doesn't matter WHO you are, WHERE you are or WHAT you are.
Unfairness is unfairness no matter what.
And just because someone happens to disagree, it does NOT make it "bitching" or "complaining".
It makes it pointing out a wrong.

You see, the sort of attitude you portray is bias and unable to look at anything impartially.
"Oh, you're not from around here, Boy. Your opinion is nothing!"
That's bullshit.
I seriously hope you do not carry that prejudiced personality trait in real life because if you do, YOU are an asshole.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

My issue with bitching about ND and his planet is that there are a lot of people here that are well invested if not with time than with money. And everytime you open your fucking mouth bitching about something your not only slamming him, and NDS, but your also potentially hurting business of those who have only been here, who have shops here, and who have bought land on this planet.

What does that have to do with anything?
Just because YOU say so nobody can point out a valid negative opinion?
Hell, according to your logic, nobody should say anything negative about anything at all, right?
Tell me YOU have never "complained" about anything.
Go ahead, tell the forum that and paint yourself as being a liar.

Now riddle me this:
Which of these do you think would have actually HELPED RT's economy more?
a.) The original Attribute rewards
or
b.) The "new and improved" rewards?

*Here's a hint
You noticed all the people saying they are leaving because of it? How many do you think just left, or decided NOT to go because of option "b" that haven't even posted?

If you are SO concerned about RT's business' and economy then why the hell are you mad at me?
I didn't change the mission rewards! I am pointing out that it is unfair!
For Christ's SAKE man, as a loyal RockTropian economist YOU should be upset about it too and be agreeing with me!

I would have DEFINATELY went there and spent a load of ped, thus stimulating the economy, and it's blindingly obvious that I would not be a minority in doing so.
But after the change, guess who's not spending ONE PEC there?
Or even better: Guess how MANY won't!
I have no clue on the actuall number of players, but I will wager it is a LOT more than just me!

To be perfectly blunt, people like you and your shitty predjudise way of thinking aren't really "potentially" helping your beloved RT and NDS, that's for sure!
In case you haven't noticed, RT's economy is crap and there isn't a whole lot of population either.
You oughtta rethink your attitude.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

You remind me of one of those assholes that make a big deal out of nothing at a restaurant. Demand a refund after eating half of your meal just to be prick to the staff. Don't be surprised when your food is fucked with in the back by the people who prepare it.

WHAT?!
How you can compare me and this specific opinion to a patron that didn't like his food at an eatery is completely beyond me.
That's just a completely random simile that has no foundation whatsoever.
Good job completely losing any validity you MIGHT've had with that one.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

As far as you calling me preteen is another way for you to Neuro Linguistically program into other people that I am some how lower than you are.

I called you a "preteen" because you act and speak like one.
Reread your posts and tell me they don't contain the substance and form a child's would.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

Yet another fail tactic that seems to teem in the cesspool of shit that is the Caly forum.

Huh?
Again you're off in Never-Never Land.
I take it you don't like the "Caly" forum...Big deal...That forum has nothing to do with what I am saying.
Another "fail" for your attempted simile.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

A form of internet faggotry (assholishness???) that can only come from someone that somehow feels he is above others and or supperior.

You mean like having your VERY FORST POST IN A THREAD calling people "douche bags" and "faggots"?
Hm...Who did that?
Oh yea...It was YOU!
Nice job being a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

So, in essence, your issues shouldn't be here, in the forum, nor should they be aimed at ND or his staff. There's a little something called a support ticket you can put in through MA if you so indeed feel that you have been wronged in some way. I have a feeling that you will find that your claims of wrong doing will be placed in a suggestion box above a garbage can.

Hm...I thought forums were for sharing opinion, discussion and debate - which is what I did.
Are you telling me a forum is NOT for that intention?

Support tickets are for, ummm...SUPPORT. I see no request for support in my posts. Do you???

But apparently YOU have an issue as well. So why are you "bitching"? Just send a support ticket to John the Mod.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

Those of us who have been on his planet have learned to deal with the curve balls.

Hey, there's "curveballs" on every planet...
This isn't a "curveball", it's a Randy Johnson beanball straight to the dome.
From the essence of your posts it appears you took a few of 'em without a helmet.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

Yeah they suck, but what the fuck do you expect????

Something less blatantly unfair.
That's really not a high expectation is it?

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

You want them to give you those stats?

Uhhhh...Stats of WHAT exactly?
Capt'n Random got you again on that one...

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

Your kind of taking it like a little bitch. I suggest you get over yourself and learn to deal with it.

"Get over myself"???
I didn't have any influence on those changes!
What kind of drugs are you on anyway???

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

I just don't understand why you feel that you are somehow special in comparison to those of us who have been here for months and months.

What, am I the only player that has posted discontent about it?
Open your eyes, Chumley.
I don't think I am anymore special than any other player in EU.
But again being a hypocrite, YOU think that you are with the "those of us who have been here for months and months" statement.

I've been in EU for "months and months"...So what?

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

And you can take your faggy tippin with you

I can take my "assholey" tippin' with me?
Dude...You make no sense at all.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

And if you must know, because your so curious as to my age.

Huh???
Just how you concluded that little bit of non-comprehension is beyond me, but whatever...

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

I am a 28 yr old Iraqi war vet. The reason i tag in Iraqi war vet because it's really the only thing i've done in my life that's substantial, sad I know. But, at least i'm honest Though it may explain my ignorance since those who serve in the military are generally considered lower class. Basically means mommy and daddy didn't have the money to send me to college so instead I was a medic/corpsman for the marines. Hence the name Doc, which was more of a pet nickname that my marines would call me. So yes, you may be dealing someone with substantially inferior intelligence that you seem to portray to possess.

Okay "Doc", let me firstly get this out of the way so you know where I stand.

It doesn't matter to me if you are actually High Class or Low Class in financial stature. Nor does it matter if you are a fucking Brainiac or a literal retard.
I am not so shallow to put myself "above" anyone if I happen to be somewhat "smarter" than them, NOR would I do the same if i happen to be better off financially.
I don't judge people from whence they came, I do so from how the act and carry themselves.

Allright? So don't lay that whole "you're picking on me because of blah-blah-blah.." crap. The "poor pitiful me" mantra is a poor excuse for acting like a child when you are a grown (presumably) man.

You're obviously not a complete idiot, even though your responses and "style" of trying to make whatewver point(s) you try to make suggest you are.
So maybe you're not super smart? So fucking what? You can STILL state your opinion without having it look like an absolute smattering of typed diarrhea.

Doc...You are 28 years old!
ACT LIKE IT THEN!
If you persists of immediately calling people names right off the bat and using cartoons to justify yourself then what else can people the read your posts think?
DUDE!
Stop using the word "fag" to describe damn near everything!
I mean "faggy" this, "faggoty" that...C'mon man!
That's fucking grade school talk!
Is that actually supposed to INSULT someone???
Talk like a grown man and you'll be taken as a grown man and as a consequence, you will BE a grown man.
Take it easy on the "picture" replies as well...They don't make you look "witty" at all...It makes one look like they cannot formulate their own replies when used repetitively.

Even handicapped retarded people can carry on an adult discussion.
It won't come across as some final thesis being presented at Princeton for graduating honors, but they can get their point across just fine.

Again...You are 28 years old...Stop acting like a child (at least all when trying to convey opinion).

Side note: I and many others like me do NOT "look down" upon our servicemen. Thank you for defending my country, Corpsman.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

awwww.....but this was getting good. I wanted to see who held out longer.

Is this a competiton of some sort?
You obviously don't have any valid rebuke to the actual original debate.
For the most part, i am just trying to decipher what the hell you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

I forgot to mention that Perception is reality and if your first 4 posts to a new planet makes you look like a douche bag than your probably going to be perceived as a douche bag....

To which again I compare your first post in this thread calling people names?
But hey, ANYONE that doesn't share the same opinion of your's MUST be a "douche bag", eh?
How droll.
Seriously, check you attitude and way of "percieving" people.

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

Oh, well, it takes this dude like 3 days to respond anyhow.

Heh, it doesn't "take" me that long to reply. i takes me only a few minutes.
As it was quite obvious I wouldn't get any quality replies from you regarding my original debate and would have to quote-death your response(s) to smithereens just to get a semblence of what the fuck you were trying to say so there was really no urgence to look right away.
When I just thought of it now, I checked....10 minutes later I formulated this reply.

What were you doing, sitting in front of the screen hitting F5 every 10 minutes?
I can picture it now:
Doc sweating profusely, eyes reddened from hours of monitor glare, increasingly quickened and agitated rocking back and forth on the chair:
*clik F5 "Did he post yet? No...Damn...", *clik F5 "Did he post yet? No...Damn...", *clik F5 "Did he post yet? No...Damn...", *clik F5 "Did he post yet? No...Damn...", *clik F5 "Did he post yet? No...Damn...", *clik F5 "Did he post yet? No...Damn...", *clik F5 "Did he post yet? No...Damn...", etc...

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

I really don't care, i just want to lick his tears of defeat because he doesn't get these awesome stats OH.......joy

Well THAT'S a "grown up" mindset!
It's basically the equivelent of a "neener-neener-neener".
How elementary...
What's your next soul crushing retort? Are you going to call me a "Doody Head"?

What the hell, Doc?
You are TWENTY EIGHT YEARS OLD!

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

And he never will, these stats that take YEARS to accomplish. ROFL

If you can gain 2 stamina points WITHOUT doing any missions in less than two years, I will give you my pedcard.
There's a Pepsi challenge for ya.

...Or were you just "neener-neener-neener"ing me again?

Originally Posted by Doc Mathamus

No matter how much we argue it's not going to change the fact that complaining on the forum solves absolutely nothing hahahaha. Must be this roll over attitude we all have. It's hard to be sarcastic with text :P

Well here's the thing...I'm not trying to "argue", you are.
I look at what you have said, and directly reply to them. I answer your questions, i comment on your statements.
You just go off on, who knows what topic and don't answer any of the questions i pose to you, nor do you addresss any of the specifics I mention.
Looks kind of one-sided really...
One guy is "arguing" and the other is making statements.
Doc, you are NOT stupid so you know this:
Arguments don't have points and counter points. They just have nonsensical sentances randomly tossed back and forth.

Take your time and READ my posts (minus the one calling you an idion [#4?]), even the ones in response to you and you'll easily see I have a point. A point, mind you, that is not shared by me alone.

Now seriously, if you'd like to revert back to my original point and offer debate, we can scratch all the namecallin away and I'll reply appropriately.
All you have to do is hit on anyhing I'll be happy to discuss different points of veiw with you and/or anyone else.

Don't come out firing right off the bat like you did in a condescending way and who knows? You might find that haveing a "grown up" conversation is actually more stimulating for your intellect as compared to sparadoc namecalling and juvinilistic attempts of insults.

I repeat: If you'd like to carry on this ORIGINAL discussion like an adult, I will be more than happy to oblige.
In fact, I welcome it.










Tippin'

P.S. Since you felt the need to be personal with me, I will return the politeness:
I never went to college. I went to trade school to be an auto mechanic.
I was an auto tech for 15 years. Working on cars for a living sucks ass.
I now play cards for a living.
I like to be called AJ because I think when people call me Anthony Joseph it sounds stupid.
Whoop de fucking do.

Notice how they use clasical music to show there superiority.. :PIMP:

OFFICIAL FORUMS SHOULD BE MODERATED FFS!

This thread does NOT reflect well on ROCKtropia. If this is the type of people that populate ROCKtropia, I'll stay away, thank-you very much.

OK for the last time DOC AND AJ TAKE IT TO PM.

We do not all with to read these constant insults and flames

Came to this forum looking for 'mission reward clarification' and it seems there is just bashing... I guess i started the missions after the fixes, but im not complaining. I think we all need to step back and be thankful that we have quests in the first place.

Originally Posted by John

OK for the last time DOC AND AJ TAKE IT TO PM.

We do not all with to read these constant insults and flames

Minus my "idiot" reference to the off topic (picture post) spam, where did I dole out any insults?

Perhaps you as a moderator should have done something when a post calling people "fags" and "douchebags" followed by 4-5-6 posts of pure spam pic posts instead of appearing to show favortism to RT'ers and only stepping in when an "outsider" replied?

Anyway...

Doc, I don't have anything against you, any regular player on RT, anyone who wants to go there or anyone who PREFERS RT over anywhere else.
(I am leading back on topic here)

It's NOT a "me vs. you", "Caly vs. RT" or anything like that!

Unfortunately you and/or others might've taken it that way because i said i would reco that people don't come to RT.
Now whether they do or not, whatever. I don't sit around all day telling players that, only when asked about my opinion.

Now it very might be a "fucked up thing to say", but it isn't without basis.
And i didn't formulate this just on this latest Mission BS either.

It's from a LOT of things ND/NDS has, and according to some recent news, STILL does that is flat out unfair and only helps him and his "circle". (This isn't the thread to discuss anything other than the missions, but if you've been on RT for any length of time, you already know).

But to literally remove those specific attrib rewards when other players got the benefit of them is completely unjust and i think that is totally fucked up.

You and everyone else i would think should share the same opinion as well, even if you got the original reward(s).

I originally came here hoping for some sort of "official" statement, or a link to one but only found a ND post happily explaining it away as a "rebalancing" and nothing else.

So really, other than the conformation that those who didn't get those missions early got fucked over, none of us learned crap as to the reasoning behind the changes.

And THAT ALONE does not reflect well on RT.







Tippin'

HI. i was able to change the old attribute mission reward info on entropedia today in effort to get the right information out there.. much can be said about the "new" reward vs the old (attribute) but my aim is to only clear up the issue for any ruture travelers to RT who may be coming specifically to gather attribute rewards.. Personally this was 1 (of the many reasons) I came myself, and no I didn't get any either ;P.. Just hopefully..RT doesn't start out on the wrong foot w/ ppl when they get there and immediately realize the mission rewards aren't what they said on pedia..

Hopefully this helps (a little)

yess Ok Thank For You SoMuch!